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Post by timforston on Sept 30, 2010 7:19:27 GMT -5
ha watching this episode and just noticed for the first time as harlowe is riding away from 4-12 he loses his hat in the flight which i think is a pretty good homage to earl even if unintentional
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Post by captbart on Sept 30, 2010 10:59:16 GMT -5
4-12 seemed inconsistent to me. Harlowe hanging from the tree was an easy target (I assume 4-12 could jump, even a little). 4-12 seemed to abandon easy targets for harder targets. He always seems to go after vehicles but he went after the biker leaving the group alone, then he ignores Burt to go after the group. somewhat inconsistent, I think. The flame thrower was a good idea, but did remarkably little damage to 4-12's sensors.
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Post by project412 on Sept 30, 2010 13:40:36 GMT -5
Going for harder targets makes sense. He was bred for war, and it would make sense to get rid of the most dangerous threat first
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Post by captbart on Oct 1, 2010 11:26:07 GMT -5
Could be - assuming vehicles are a higher priority target than personnel or 'bunker' (in the store) troops are more valuable than grunts in the open. OK, I'll buy that, nice call 412.
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Post by captbart on Oct 13, 2010 13:14:13 GMT -5
Not sure if this belongs here or in Ghost but I'll do it here. In Ghost the point is made that everything sheds cells (true) and that the cloud would leave Mix Master tainted cells all over the place. So, why is it that 4-12 didn't have the same problem? I mean he ran all over the valley. Fewer cells perhaps but he lived with Cletus for 30 years and then was a one critter wrecking crew around Perfection for a while. While the flame thrower might have messed with any Mix Master on 4-12's skin, being buried seems like it would leave a huge pile of it at the grave site. The goo that he shakes off after El Blanco swallowed him should have been loaded with Mix Master. I guess a throw away one liner in Ghost could have explained that since he was 'weaponized', 4-12 was designed not to leave residual Mix Master. That would have explained it but that line was never uttered. Any thoughts?
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Post by project412 on Oct 13, 2010 14:47:57 GMT -5
Four Twelve very well could have dropped traces of mixmaster everywhere he went. But because he was always in or around Perfection, it never got very far. Plus Perfection's natural boundaries. The reason no one made a big deal of this problem with 4-12 is because the Government wasn't there to interfere like in Ghost Dance.
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Post by captbart on Oct 14, 2010 8:29:57 GMT -5
That is possible, I guess. I suppose there is also less Mix Master in 4-12 than in the uncontrolled cloud. Certain, even with 4-12's excursions he didn't cover the area of the cloud. Thanks for the thoughts.
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Post by captbart on Oct 14, 2010 8:38:02 GMT -5
timforstan, Yep, I noticed the hat. Like you I don't know if it was meant to be a tribute but certain themes do seem to run through the movies and series. the loss of a hat for Earl in T1 and T2, Juan in T4, Harlow in 4-12, others? The head under the hat theme in T1 and T4. The recurring theme of breaking the window of an unlocked car in T2 and in Search. I don't count getting the car sucked as that is the Graboid's MO. Any other themes?
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Post by project412 on Oct 14, 2010 15:07:45 GMT -5
How about Burt bring down the garage door on the shriekers from T4 returning in the series?
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Post by captbart on Oct 14, 2010 19:06:25 GMT -5
412, took me a second but yep, the bay door in T2 and Tyler catching them in Shriek & destroy. I guess we could count the wall theme, but since it is such a part of Burt's personality that is another one like the sucked cars, i think.
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Post by lonewolf on Feb 15, 2011 13:54:23 GMT -5
There is one thing I don't understand about 4-12. Cletus said he is part Rhino, part Wolverine and part Switchback Spider. I can see the characteristics of the Rhino and Wolverine, but I don't see any Spider characteristics.
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Post by captbart on Feb 16, 2011 16:46:06 GMT -5
Check out the way the mouth parts move - We also find out (in Flora I think) that silicon based life was used to make his hide resistant to small arms fire. It is also possible that 4-12's sweet disposition came from the spider, but 4-12 was fast like the spider and resistant to falls (El Blanco spits him quite high with no damage). Just a thought.
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Post by BarrettM82 on Feb 16, 2011 21:33:29 GMT -5
It was Flora or Fauna in which Cletus stated that 4-12 was given a silicon shell to resist small arms fire. So basically, if you tried to shoot 4-12 with 9mm or less, your dead. But I'd say around .45 caliber or .50 caliber would do the job. By what I didn't get is: how come when Burt was going to get in a "western style shoot-out" with 412, he took a .9 caliber revolver instead of his .50 caliber Desert Eagle. What was Burt thinking? .9 caliber over .50 caliber? Not the best choice Burt has made.
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Post by captbart on Feb 17, 2011 13:06:20 GMT -5
I don't think that was a 9mm revolver. I thought it was a .44 Mag but after discussing it with Mr. ELBlanco (I can't find the post though) I think it may have been a .460 S&W (although could have been a .500 S&W.) The big bore revolvers have an edge over the Desert Eagle in reliability and cycle time. The revolver can fire faster than a semi-auto because you don't have to wait for the slide to finish cycling. If a semi-auto goes click you have to clear it and reload. In a revolver, you just pull the trigger again. The energy of the .460 or the .500 is actually higher than the .50AE that the Desert Eagle shoots so it does make sense. The round count is 6 vs 7 so that is not as big a deal as some might think. Not as cool looking maybe, but makes sense.
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