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Post by Earl Bassett on May 8, 2018 14:44:37 GMT -5
I wrote to Michael Gross on Facebook long before A Cold Day in Hell was announced, that I hoped he'd do another (6th) one. He was kind enough to answer me, saying he'd do them as long as his body is still in good enough shape. This got me thinking, what would you feel if he one day does decide he can't keep doing them anylonger and Universal decide to keep the franchise going without him? Would Tremors be over with right there and then for you, or would you give it a chance like we did when we found out Stampede were no longer involved with the franchise? Would you still watch the movies out of curiosity?
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Post by project412 on May 8, 2018 16:10:43 GMT -5
At this point, Gross is the last thread keeping me coming back without Stampede. Once he's gone, I don't know if there's really anything left for me.
Had it been in Stampede's hands to handle a transition to a younger cast, that would have been an entirely different story. But as it stands, Michael Gross as Burt is the last thing about the franchise that I'm emotionally connected to. I can't even really get into the Graboids and their spawn anymore, what with the asinine changes that have been made to them over the last couple outings.
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Post by captbart on May 8, 2018 21:11:53 GMT -5
412, I'm pretty much the same way. If and it is a BIG if, Burt had a less prominent role in a T7 (like in a couple of the series episode) and helped ease in a new cast, maybe. With the messed up life cycle as well as the new model critters who, I am convinced, exist only to let someone play with CGI stuff, it would not take very much for me to sour on the whole thing. As I get to my 69th birthday, I fully understand the limitations of an aging body on my ability to do things but Burt as the wise master teaching the younger ones the fine points of staying alive could work.
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Post by Earl Bassett on May 9, 2018 12:26:50 GMT -5
While I'm just as disappointed as the next guy about Stampede not being involved with these new Tremors movies, I still get that special excitement when a new one is announced and released, just like always. That excitement is because it's still Tremors, which is my favorite franchise, but the reason it's still Tremors to me is because of Michael Gross' involvement. If he goes and no one else (like Kevin Bacon) steps in and we get completely new characters running the show (Jamie Kennedy falls into that category, despite two movies), my excitement for new Tremors movies will diminish substantially.
I would still watch future movies, but I don't think I would be emotionally involved the way I am now. They would feel like TINO - Tremors in Name Only.
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Post by timforston on May 9, 2018 17:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by Earl Bassett on May 9, 2018 18:45:46 GMT -5
Oh, I'm fully aware there is already talks of a seventh movie with Michael Gross and didn't mean he may hang up his cape just yet. So, timforston, regarding the topic, what would your view of the Tremors franchise be if Gross calls it quits some day and Universal want to move forward?
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Post by timforston on May 9, 2018 18:51:22 GMT -5
I would look forward to new installments. Not as much if Burt where there. It would be a huge boost if by some miracle Stampede got back involved. I would never not look forward to a Tremors release. But, it definitely would be with the same enthusiasm until a new movie proves itself.
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Post by Earl Bassett on May 9, 2018 19:00:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. If Stampede would get to steer the franchise in their direction again, I would be very excited to see what they have in store, even if Michael Gross wouldn't be coming back.
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Post by oc on Jan 6, 2019 20:49:58 GMT -5
For me, without Burt, the franchise would lose most the appeal, and sorry, but myself, I can't see Travis as a worthy replacement. Valerie McKee might prove to be one though, if written at least as well as she was in the Cold Day.
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Post by captbart on Jan 7, 2019 9:27:30 GMT -5
OC,
I agree about Valerie; she was the surprise gift in Cold Day and a possible future anchor for a movie. Just as Burt was the surprise gift in T1 and became the anchor for T2,3 and 4. I would give a new movie without Burt a chance but it would have to be very carefully done if the franchise is to survive. A new film that pays proper tribute to Burt, Perfection and the original plot lines would be most enjoyable. I'm still annoyed at the 'redesigned' life cycle (it is a biological, evolutionary inconsistency -detachable tongues, no Shriekers and ABs and worms working together just does NOT make scientific sense) but like some of the mistakes in the original series (number of Shriekers per worm for instance) these things can be taken care of if the producers are careful. I took a chance on T6 in spite of T5 and was pleasantly surprised. I'll watch a T7 or a Tremors without Burt ... once. If it is poorly done, I might not be back.
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Post by oc on Jan 7, 2019 10:34:23 GMT -5
Can't agree more.
Myself, I can accept the changed life cycle; but the visual redesign is pretty hard to stomach. The original horned tongues were just darn perfect; the new thing is, contrariwise, completely wrong (and of course, detachable's crazy). When one compares e.g., the scene of Walter Chang's demise with the girl whose name I can't recall dragged through the window in the Cold Day, well, it makes one sad of the so-called progress...
While I was no big fan of the original AB's of 3, they at least looked right; let me refrain from commenting on the new "vagina dentata" design — I am afraid I don't know proper English words for that!
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Post by project412 on Jan 17, 2019 11:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the lamprey mouthd thing that they call an AB in Tremors 5 and 6 doesn't even look remotely related to the Graboid lifecycle (not does the actual Graboid itself, for that matter).
I was intrigued by the premise of an "African Graboid" evolving differently an ocean away, but... what we got was just generic, derivative SyFy-channel level schlock.
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Post by captbart on Jan 17, 2019 15:43:04 GMT -5
412, agree about the SyFy (is that seefee?) channel schlock. The trouble is that the Graboids are Precambrian life forms (per T2). So they would most likely have been aquatic creatures initially. Since they are not aquatic now they would have evolved on land during the last super continent period. Given that they could have survived the continental breakups and mass extinctions due to they life cycle and underground life style, it is extremely unlikely that two such wildly divergent paths could exist. Most especially the missing Shrieker phase is incomprehensible.
The trouble with too many folks is that they think calling it science fiction or fantasy means they can do what they like. They do not understand that good fiction must be consistent. If you have a Precambrian life form then you must accept the Precambrian environment. Magically creating monsters to suit your bank balance is simply bad artistic work.
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Post by project412 on Jan 17, 2019 17:10:21 GMT -5
Honestly I don't remember 5 and 6 all that well, but did they actually write the Shriekers out of the lifecycle? I was more under the impression that we just happened to catch them as the Assblasters were laying their eggs, but before the Graboids could molt.
I dunno. I just... I'm perplexed by all of the "creative" decisions that were made on these last two.
But then, they couldn't even get Burt consistent (despite Gross being as fun as always) so why would I expect consistency with the creatures?
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Post by captbart on Jan 22, 2019 15:07:38 GMT -5
412, I did consider that as a possibility. There were two things that bothered me with that scenario. First is that there was absolutely no mention of Shriekers - anywhere. No husks of morphed Shriekers, no worm carcasses anywhere. Given the one mention of lack of animal life (a just in passing where is everything type of comment) I would expect Shrieker husks everywhere. Also, given the way Shriekers reproduce, how come only two or three AB's?
The second big issue for me is the presence of AB's and Grabiods at the same time. To me this indicates a fundamentally different life cycle. How can the worm be guarding the eggs? Grabiods don't lay eggs and the full cave indicates a huge number of AB's. Where are the worm remains. Where are the skins that the Shriekers shed to become AB's?
We are never told how the AB's lay the egg that they carry but if they survive the process there would be at least hundreds of them based on the number of eggs in the cave.
Think of the number of Shriekers in T2, T3 and "Night of the Shriekers" (TV series). ANY food and almost instant reproduction. If they are allowed to metamorph into AB's we get one AB per Shrieker.
The numbers just don't compute; at least they don't compute for me.
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