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Post by Mr.ELBlanco on Mar 15, 2016 12:58:45 GMT -5
I can accept Burt having a son, he obviously did the deed with a woman in the 70s before even met Heather. That's not impossible. Also Shriekers we're briefly mentioned when Burt and Travis were sitting on a rock after the worm ate the bad guy. something along the lines "This African life cycle has mutated or something, its much more...evolved. Nocturnal assblasters, tentacles that detach from the host, and we're the hell are the Shriekers? Whats next...Graboids that talk?" To me that says the African life cycle is completely different and does not feel the need to have Shriekers, thus throwing Burt an additional curve ball as he has come to expect them. They also did not figure out how the ABs come about in the time they had, I guess just like they didn't figure out Shriekers or ABs existed until whole other movies later in the Tremors 2 or 3.
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Post by captbart on Jun 19, 2016 19:49:18 GMT -5
Mr. ElBlanco, I don't recall the lack of Shriekers being mentioned; guess I'll have to watch the movie again. I still don't see any way for Worms, ABs, and eggs to exist in the same place, at the same time AND the worm guards the eggs. The worm dies for the shriekers who morph into ABs. Even if we allow for the evolution away from the need for shriekers, I still don't see a way for a mama worm guardian to exist. Further there is no evidence for this evolution in any of the historic/geologic records.
I could see this as a related but separate species but how do we get from worm to ABs to eggs guarded by worms? ABs lay the eggs not the worms. Orcas and Sperm Whales type of thing maybe but the basic reproductive process is way too different for them to be the same species. I'm a physicist, not a biologist but it just does not seem consistent to me.
I think the writers here did not pay enough attention to the original 3 movies. They just pick up the cool monsters, used CGI for effect and there we have it, a new movie. It IS Burt Gummer and Tremors but it is not as good as the first four movies in my not so humble opinion.
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Post by Mr.ELBlanco on Jun 24, 2016 12:56:37 GMT -5
Maybe in this case the Graboids and ABs are separate completely. In a kind of out-there explanation they could be two separate species that have a mutualism relationship.
"Pollination is a classic example of mutualism. Mutualism is the way two organisms of different species exist in a relationship in which each individual benefits from the activity of the other."
Another case is Sharks and Pilot Fish, which are the fish that ride on sharks. Sharks do not eat the pilot fish because they eat the parasites off of them.
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Post by captbart on Jun 24, 2016 20:03:56 GMT -5
Agreed - I guess my point was that despite the similarity between Perfection Grabiods, Shriekers, ABs the African "Grabiods" and "ABs" are, in fact, a different species. Just like there are many members of the family Tyrannosauroidea (that contains many meat eating members over millions of years) not all of them are Tyrannous Rex.
That is a distinction that would have been easy to make and would have opened a whole new thread for future shows. I guess I'm just grumpy because there seem to be a great many unforced glitches in T5.
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Post by captbart on Jul 5, 2016 10:14:20 GMT -5
Maybe in this case the Graboids and ABs are separate completely. In a kind of out-there explanation they could be two separate species that have a mutualism relationship. "Pollination is a classic example of mutualism. Mutualism is the way two organisms of different species exist in a relationship in which each individual benefits from the activity of the other." Another case is Sharks and Pilot Fish, which are the fish that ride on sharks. Sharks do not eat the pilot fish because they eat the parasites off of them. Possible. It still begs the question of worms guarding eggs. If they are different species we would need worms laying eggs and no comment on how the ABs reproduce. I don't have a problem with different species following similar evolutionary paths. We see it all the time in nature. I guess I am just disappointed that T5 is not up to the standard of the other Tremor movies. I had great expectations for a follow on Tremors movie but this seemed more of an attempt to start an alternate themed movie. Not a bad thing but not what was advertised.
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Post by captbart on Jul 5, 2016 16:55:38 GMT -5
OK, this time I got it. Burt, when talking about the evolution, did ask "where the hell are the Shriekers?" In the same scene he does imply that the ABs hanging around are helping the remaining worm "guard the eggs, protecting the bloodline". OK, the species is seriously intelligent but I still have issues with the evolutionary cycle. The idea of a nest, guarded by a 'mama' worm seems like it would require Shriekers more than ABs. ABs move around and create new clutches of eggs not one big nest. Also, why would the early inhabitants take shelter in a cave into which the worms can gain entrance. The cave paintings indicate the cave was shelter for the people so it should have been solid rock.
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Post by Mr.ELBlanco on Jul 6, 2016 4:38:15 GMT -5
OK, this time I got it. Burt, when talking about the evolution, did ask "where the hell are the Shriekers?" In the same scene he does imply that the ABs hanging around are helping the remaining worm "guard the eggs, protecting the bloodline". OK, the species is seriously intelligent but I still have issues with the evolutionary cycle. The idea of a nest, guarded by a 'mama' worm seems like it would require Shriekers more than ABs. ABs move around and create new clutches of eggs not one big nest. Also, why would the early inhabitants take shelter in a cave into which the worms can gain entrance. The cave paintings indicate the cave was shelter for the people so it should have been solid rock. I just write it off as they didn't get all the answers in the time they we're dealing with the creatures. If you think about it, we didn't even learn what Graboids we're exactly in the first Tremors and we certain;y didn't know they changed into Shriekers and ABs later on. Usually our characters are too busy fighting them and once in a while they learn a trait about them. Could be same thing here.
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