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Post by captbart on Nov 11, 2018 15:17:47 GMT -5
As I get closer to my 70th birthday I'm finding my hands tend to object to the hammering many handguns give me. I passed on a great deal on a Wesson .44 Mag simply because I can no longer handle that much recoil. My wall is getting more rifle heavy and black powder weapons simply for recoil control.
I find the Black Powder burns a tad slower, giving a different, and to me more tolerable, recoil profile so I can shoot those pistols more comfortably. So my dream wall has changed. While I would still love a Desert Eagle in .50AE or a .500 S&W mag I know I can no longer handle the weapon.
Getting old is not for the faint of heart!
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Post by captbart on Dec 2, 2018 11:24:32 GMT -5
Still harping on my age: I find a growing preference for revolvers over pistols. Yes, my Kel Tec P11 is an almost perfect pocket pistol I find that safely racking the slide is an almost impossible task for me. I inadvertently get fingers in front of the muzzle during the slide rack. I am also not able to really run a clearing drill with my off hand (something I consider a requirement for a pistol shooter). Not good. I find I really like the combo calibers as well. I can shoot .38 Spl in my .357's at the range and still have the more powerful round for daily use. I have also discovered a real help for my recoil issues with my 12 gauges. These "mini" shells in buck and slug ( www.aguilaammo.com/shotshell/ ) from Aguila Ammunition lower the felt recoil for the shooter. Still very adequate for any of my needs these rounds address my old complaint that if I had known back in the day how sensitive I'd be to recoil, I would have purchased 20 gauge instead of 12 gauge. Also, these are great for any of our ladies who may be a little recoil adverse.
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Post by oc on Jan 7, 2019 11:57:02 GMT -5
Graboid has much tougher skin then a buffalo though! haha. Burt used an 8-Bore shotgun in the basement with solid slugs in it. Hmmm... I might be wrong, but I understand although in fact the prop was a Darne shotgun, in the “movie reality” it just stood for a proper double rifle, did it not? (Which, I believe — do please correct me if I am wrong —, should offer a considerably better penetration; and penetration's what counts with a Graboid :))
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Post by captbart on Jan 7, 2019 13:18:11 GMT -5
oc,
while I can't speak to the prop gun make, in T1 Burt refers to the "elephant gun" and in T2 refers to the Westly Richards 480 double rifles in .375 H&H mag that he brings for Earl and Grady as backup weapons.
Given those facts, yes, you are correct in my opinion. He does use a double rifle elephant gun as played by what appears to be an 8 bore double barrel.
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Post by oc on Jan 7, 2019 14:11:58 GMT -5
I did not recognise the shotgun myself, but Darne's mentioned in the Stampede FAQ. I guess it would be a bit more reliable than IMFDB, which says it was a William Moore & Co.
BTW, I forgot a .375 H&H mag was mentioned. Well I might be again missing something of importance, but myself, I'd take something a bit heavier to the Graboid country, especially for a backup, especially if the Mexicans pay for that :) Something in the .400/.500 range, perhaps even .577 T-Rex?
(That said, of course it would prove a bit excessive soon as Shriekers occur; for them, .375 looks like a perfect cartridge which guarantees a kill without too much a kick. This time, Burt made a great choice even lacking critical need-to-know information!)
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Post by captbart on Jan 7, 2019 15:03:03 GMT -5
I did not recognise the shotgun myself, but Darne's mentioned in the Stampede FAQ. I guess it would be a bit more reliable than IMFDB, which says it was a William Moore & Co. BTW, I forgot a .375 H&H mag was mentioned. Well I might be again missing something of importance, but myself, I'd take something a bit heavier to the Graboid country, especially for a backup, especially if the Mexicans pay for that Something in the .400/.500 range, perhaps even .577 T-Rex? (That said, of course it would prove a bit excessive soon as Shriekers occur; for them, .375 looks like a perfect cartridge which guarantees a kill without too much a kick. This time, Burt made a great choice even lacking critical need-to-know information!) Well, I have a .375 H&H in a bolt action rifle (a CZ-550 - IIRC Heather loans Earl her Winchester in .375 in T1) and if you think the .375 H7H Mag is "not too much recoil" you are a much better man than am I. :-) I really don't find my .375 to be "fun" to shoot but it is certainly adequate for any foreseeable critter in my part of Texas. I practice with it but I don't really enjoy shooting it. Of course I'm a couple of months shy of 70 so a lot of things recoil more now than they did a couple of decades ago. I think it is a plot by the ammo makers to add more recoil to their rounds each year!
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Post by oc on Jan 7, 2019 17:28:06 GMT -5
Oh, I did not express that very well; I do apologise. The idea was not that the recoil of a .375 H&H mag is fun; the idea was that whatever it looks like, .577 T-R (or even some of the not-so-heavy .400/.500's) gotta be much worse. Alas so far, I never had the opportunity to shoot a .375 H&H mag myself. Have shot a couple of more powerful ones tho (e.g., .338 Lapua mag), and they were not that bad; I've enjoyed the experience. Depends very much on the particular rifle, of course: strangely enough, the worst shoulder bruise I ever got was with a Mosin carbine. The 7.62×54 Russian seems comparatively weak, but the carbine's light, it has got a steel butt, the kick is very sharp, and the result was, at least for me, rather at a very unpleasant side: thing kicked like a mule, and I was really glad to return it to its owner! Speaking of the kick. I wonder what would Burt say had he pressed the trigger at this moment :) But I am digressing; sorry for that. Quite. I'm pretty young compared to you, just a bit over fifty; and am starting to observe that effect myself. What's even worse, the scopes are somehow getting optics by far not as good they used to just a couple years ago :(
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Post by captbart on Jan 8, 2019 2:48:12 GMT -5
When I was 6, my maternal grandfather and my dad decided to show me how to shoot a 10GA double barrel. I was not strong enough to hold it level so I managed to get it above the target and as it drooped down through the target, I pulled the trigger. BOTH triggers! By then the barrel was pointed down and the recoil picked me up and dropped me flat of my back several feet back. As my vision cleared I saw my dad and grand-dad laughting at me. When my mother came out she went ballistic and jumped all over both of them. They were too involved with their joke to be very contrite. Still, this is the first time I ever shot a real gun and I will never forget the moment.
The double rifles are a bit heavier than the bolt actions so they might have less recoil. The .338 rifle might also be rather heavy and so less recoil. A surprise to me was that my .45-70 lever gun has as much recoil as the .375. It is much lighter and throws a 450 grain slug as compared to the .375/.338 300 grain slug. I believe in large slow bullets as more effective than very fast, light bullets but as with everything else, there is no free lunch.
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Post by Mr.ELBlanco on Jan 8, 2019 20:41:49 GMT -5
When I was 6, my maternal grandfather and my dad decided to show me how to shoot a 10GA double barrel. I was not strong enough to hold it level so I managed to get it above the target and as it drooped down through the target, I pulled the trigger. BOTH triggers! By then the barrel was pointed down and the recoil picked me up and dropped me flat of my back several feet back. As my vision cleared I saw my dad and grand-dad laughting at me. When my mother came out she went ballistic and jumped all over both of them. They were too involved with their joke to be very contrite. Still, this is the first time I ever shot a real gun and I will never forget the moment. The double rifles are a bit heavier than the bolt actions so they might have less recoil. The .338 rifle might also be rather heavy and so less recoil. A surprise to me was that my .45-70 lever gun has as much recoil as the .375. It is much lighter and throws a 450 grain slug as compared to the .375/.338 300 grain slug. I believe in large slow bullets as more effective than very fast, light bullets but as with everything else, there is no free lunch. That experience would have shyed many away from guns I suspect. I still have yet to shoot a .375 H&H, but I've shot .50 BMG, .458 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, and .300 Win Mags to name some of the more powerful rifles rounds.
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Post by captbart on Jan 8, 2019 21:03:28 GMT -5
Mr EB, The army gave me the opportunity to fire .50BMG in the original Browning M-2 machine gun. Best ever was a "Quad .50" mount in a defensive position. That set-up was really impressive. I still lust after a Grizzly Big Bore or a .338 but those desires will probably remain unfulfilled. I am particularly curious about how the .458 Win Mag might compare to the .458 Lott. I thought Ruger had a .458 cartidge but can't find any reference to the gun. My mother wouldn't let me be gun shy. When I was in 3rd grade she taught me to shoot using her .38 S&W (NOT .38 Spl) by leaving a chamber empty and not letting me know which chamber. Then she place a coin on the flat top and then had me shoot. If the gun fired and the coin fell, that was fine. If the gun went "click" and the coin dropped, I got a fly swatter (insect batter for any Brits) across the calf. I learned to not be recoil adverse. My mom was a great teacher.
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Post by Mr.ELBlanco on Jan 9, 2019 22:55:19 GMT -5
Mr EB, The army gave me the opportunity to fire .50BMG in the original Browning M-2 machine gun. Best ever was a "Quad .50" mount in a defensive position. That set-up was really impressive. I still lust after a Grizzly Big Bore or a .338 but those desires will probably remain unfulfilled. I am particularly curious about how the .458 Win Mag might compare to the .458 Lott. I thought Ruger had a .458 cartidge but can't find any reference to the gun. My mother wouldn't let me be gun shy. When I was in 3rd grade she taught me to shoot using her .38 S&W (NOT .38 Spl) by leaving a chamber empty and not letting me know which chamber. Then she place a coin on the flat top and then had me shoot. If the gun fired and the coin fell, that was fine. If the gun went "click" and the coin dropped, I got a fly swatter (insect batter for any Brits) across the calf. I learned to not be recoil adverse. My mom was a great teacher. I got to fire the original M2 once, very impressive machine gun indeed. Quad would be awesome, I Think the Lott is even bigger; like a .458 winchester magnum magnum. Thats a great story about your mom, and a really handy sounding way to teach.
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Post by captbart on Jan 14, 2019 20:01:58 GMT -5
Yep, she knew how to "focus" my attention on essentials.
oc, I like your comment about Burt's photo. My older sister tried to shoot a .410 shotgun by placing the stock under her armpit so she could get the sight closer to her face. She succeeded in getting it closer ... much closer. The recoil from the .410 shotgun kicked the gun back and the barrel up. The front sight hit her up beside her nose, made a small cut and a large black eye. I suspect Burt might have had the same result had he pulled the trigger in the photo. As he says in T2 hold it firmly against your shoulder or it will break your collar bone.
I had a Brit friend shooting my .45-70 lever gun at the range during one of his visits. I had some modern powder "bear loads" for it and he wanted to shoot a few. (it is a Marlin guide gun and can safely handle what amounts to a magnum load.) He did, said he had a great time (still says so, actually) and then had shoulder surgery when he got back to the UK! With heavy loads it is absolutely essential to mount the weapon to your shoulder properly. Of course, since you have fired some of the heavy calibers, I'm sure you already know that fact.
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Post by captbart on Sept 4, 2019 11:21:20 GMT -5
I did not recognise the shotgun myself, but Darne's mentioned in the Stampede FAQ. I guess it would be a bit more reliable than IMFDB, which says it was a William Moore & Co. BTW, I forgot a .375 H&H mag was mentioned. Well I might be again missing something of importance, but myself, I'd take something a bit heavier to the Graboid country, especially for a backup, especially if the Mexicans pay for that Something in the .400/.500 range, perhaps even .577 T-Rex? (That said, of course it would prove a bit excessive soon as Shriekers occur; for them, .375 looks like a perfect cartridge which guarantees a kill without too much a kick. This time, Burt made a great choice even lacking critical need-to-know information!) OC, Sorry to take so long to get back ... Remember, Burt DID bring something larger for himself. He left the "small" .375 H&H for Earl and Grady while he kept the more "adequate" Grizzly Big Bore in .50BMG for himself. In T3 I think he has the perfect "compromise" between Grabiod and Shrieker ... twin M2 machine guns in a power mount. That is an awful lot of .50 BMG slugs going down range. Actually, it would even have worked well on the AB since it was in and anti-aircraft mount. Perhaps the perfect weapon for Grabiod/Shrieker/AB country.
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Post by captbart on Oct 14, 2019 11:34:09 GMT -5
I have discovered a source for video gun information: www.youtube.com/channel/UC6QH13V2o68zynSa0hZy9uQ/featuredPaul Harrell has a broad selection of videos on various gun related topics. I appreciate his clear demonstrations and insights into gun related items. He generally presents the data and lets the viewer draw his own conclusions.
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Post by captbart on Oct 14, 2019 11:52:20 GMT -5
I'm adding a small change to this thread. Not just guns but also ammo, leather, and other accessories. I'll make a post soon but want to see what others have.
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